Five with Fry
Five with Fry is your go-to podcast for understanding conflict—where it comes from, why it shows up, and how to handle it with clarity and intention. On each episode, Dr. Jen Fry breaks down the moments we avoid, the reactions we default to, and the skills it takes to move through conflict without blowing things up or shutting down.
Podcasting since 2025 • 64 episodes
Five with Fry
Latest Episodes
S2 Ep9: Conflict Isn't the Villain
This season kept coming back to the same place: leadership starts with self. Not with strategy. Not with authority. With your patterns.Conflict does not come out of nowhere. Your responses were shaped long before this role, this team, or...
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Season 2
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Episode 9
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6:08
S2 Ep8: "I’m Sorry You Felt That Way" is a Trash Apology
Repair is where leadership gets exposed.Not when things are smooth. Not when the meeting goes well. After you interrupt someone. After you dismiss a concern. After you get it wrong.Most leaders don’t struggle with saying “I’m sorr...
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Season 2
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Episode 8
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5:09
S2 Ep7: How Fast Will They Tell You You’re Wrong?
Leaders love to say their door is always open. That sounds generous. It also keeps you comfortable.Power doesn’t disappear because you’re approachable. It shows up in who has to walk toward you. It shows up in who speaks first in meeting...
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Season 2
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Episode 7
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5:16
S2 Ep6: Stop Calling It “Defensive” When It’s Just Questions
There’s a moment that happens in feedback conversations all the time. Someone asks a question or tries to explain their perspective, and the response is, “You’re being defensive.” The label lands, and the door closes. What could have been dialo...
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Season 2
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Episode 6
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5:18
S2 Ep5: Congratulations on Winning That Imaginary Argument
Do you do this, too? Something feels off, and before you say a word, your brain writes a full script about what the other person meant, why they did it, and how it’s probably not great. I call this the “shower lawyer” habit, where y...
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Season 2
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Episode 5
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4:55