Five with Fry
Five with Fry is your go-to podcast for understanding conflict—where it comes from, why it shows up, and how to handle it with clarity and intention. On each episode, Dr. Jen Fry breaks down the moments we avoid, the reactions we default to, and the skills it takes to move through conflict without blowing things up or shutting down.
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Latest Episodes
S3 Ep6: A Retreat Can’t Carry What Leaders Avoid
A retreat can’t carry everything leadership has been avoiding.When leaders wait until everyone is in the room to finally name the real issues, the retreat starts from defense instead of honesty. People are surprised. They get guarded. An...
S3 Ep5: You Can’t Call It Safe Without Accountability
Calling a retreat a safe space is only the beginning.If leaders have not decided what accountability looks like inside that space, people are being asked to trust a promise that may not hold once someone gets uncomfortable. That matters,...
S3 Ep4: Your Offsite Doesn’t Need More Trust Falls
Most retreats promise alignment and come-home energy, yet teams often return to the same old friction by Monday. We open the curtain on why that happens and make a bold case: conflict isn’t a problem to avoid at an offsite, it’s the work that m...
S3 Ep3: Reset Expectations, Repair Gaps, Rebuild Culture
You can learn a lot about a team from the second after somebody says the thing everybody has been avoiding. That pause tells the truth fast. Somebody usually tries to rescue the room, smooth it over, or move on before anyone has to sit in what ...
S3 Ep2: More "Good Vibes" is Not a Culture Strategy
You can build a retreat around laughter, bonding, and a packed schedule and still come back to the exact same tension. That is the problem Jen names here. When teams keep asking how to make the retreat fun before they name what is actually off,...